Why clocks go forward in October

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It is a common mistake that clocks go back in October (in the Northern hemisphere) even though the hour hand also goes back one hour. Clocks go forward to its home in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle with natural noon as the anchor.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/ireland/dublin?month=9&year=2021

Go to the present date and move the Sun back towards sunrise by one hour. This explains 'longer evenings' as the time from sunrise to clock noon becomes asymmetrical with clock noon to sunset when DST is applied.

DST, like RA/Dec and time zones are flexible secondary extensions of the primary 24 hour and Lat/Long systems rather than primary frameworks in themselves.

DST is an experience so it would be helpful to explain it properly as we do not really lose an hour's sunlight and keeping DST would affect the time of sunrise, in Dublin it would happens around 9:30 AM if DST was retained.

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The issue of DST extends towards the anchor for the orbital motion of the Earth.

The anchor and reference for each rotation is the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle with natural noon connecting to 24 hour timekeeping through a process of equalising the variations cause by the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth. It is much easier to separate the surface rotations presently and that is done by noting the dynamical traits of the North and South Poles.

Polar dawn is well established at the South Pole presently and about a few weeks before polar sunrise on the Equinox-

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm

With zero rotational velocity at the respective poles, the effect of the single sunrise/noon/sunset at those latitudes transfer to events on one equinox (sunrise), one Solstice (noon) and the opposite equinox (sunset) demonstrating the validity of an orbital rotation rather than a 'tilt/tilting' Earth.

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On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC+1, StarDust wrote:


You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.

The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc

Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.

It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

[fred k. engels®]

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Prime Minister Justin Blackface Trudeau tweeted his condolences that
Those Chicoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://news.cctv.com/2021/09/09/ARTIzoqMLtpjm95VU2aEIS1e210909.shtml

So, How's that astro photography horseshit® working out for ya?

[StarDust]

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

[fred k. engels®]

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Prime Minister Justin Blackface Trudeau tweeted his condolences that
Those russcoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So, How's that astro photography horseshit® working out for ya?

[StarDust]

Post by fred k. engels®
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Prime Minister Justin Blackface Trudeau tweeted his condolences that
Those russcoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, How's that astro photography horseshit® working out for ya?

You're absolutely Right!

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust

Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.

If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.

It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

[StarDust]

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

Timekeeping in terms of clocks are just mechanisms to keep a steady pace, whether divided into equable 24 hour days, hours, minutes, seconds or any smaller division. Timekeeping in terms of weeks and months is arbitrary, although the parent observation is that the planet turns 1461 times for 4 orbits of our parent star formatted into the familiar calendar framework of 365/366 days across four years.

What sets the equal pace is historically and technically definite and anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle as an effect of one rotation. Some people wish 'time' into existence by misusing timekeeping but the less said the better.

[StarDust]

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

Timekeeping in terms of clocks are just mechanisms to keep a steady pace, whether divided into equable 24 hour days, hours, minutes, seconds or any smaller division. Timekeeping in terms of weeks and months is arbitrary, although the parent observation is that the planet turns 1461 times for 4 orbits of our parent star formatted into the familiar calendar framework of 365/366 days across four years.
What sets the equal pace is historically and technically definite and anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle as an effect of one rotation. Some people wish 'time' into existence by misusing timekeeping but the less said the better.

Time enslave us hoomans!

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

Timekeeping in terms of clocks are just mechanisms to keep a steady pace, whether divided into equable 24 hour days, hours, minutes, seconds or any smaller division. Timekeeping in terms of weeks and months is arbitrary, although the parent observation is that the planet turns 1461 times for 4 orbits of our parent star formatted into the familiar calendar framework of 365/366 days across four years.
What sets the equal pace is historically and technically definite and anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle as an effect of one rotation. Some people wish 'time' into existence by misusing timekeeping but the less said the better.

Time enslave us hoomans!

Time is the life of your soul and where you find inspiration from in your journey through life, whereas timekeeping is not time itself and can enslave people if they go too far and especially the issues and problems inherited from the late 17th century where most of the damage was done.

[StarDust]

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

Timekeeping in terms of clocks are just mechanisms to keep a steady pace, whether divided into equable 24 hour days, hours, minutes, seconds or any smaller division. Timekeeping in terms of weeks and months is arbitrary, although the parent observation is that the planet turns 1461 times for 4 orbits of our parent star formatted into the familiar calendar framework of 365/366 days across four years.
What sets the equal pace is historically and technically definite and anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle as an effect of one rotation. Some people wish 'time' into existence by misusing timekeeping but the less said the better.

Time enslave us hoomans!

Time is the life of your soul and where you find inspiration from in your journey through life, whereas timekeeping is not time itself and can enslave people if they go too far and especially the issues and problems inherited from the late 17th century where most of the damage was done.

For long time, only time piece we had is the Sun, Moon and the Stars.
Even animals knew how to use it.
Now we have cheap Walmart watches, all it does is eat batteries!
😭😭😭

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You should know better than that, Mr StarDust.
The issue of DST is a means to understand the links between the cyclic motions of the Earth and timekeeping and especially the relationship between the 24 hour clock and its anchor in the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc
Move the clock back one hour towards sunrise and that represents the asymmetry between sunrise to clock noon and clock noon to sunset when DST is applied. Moving the hand back one hour is to move the clock forward to its normal position to noon where the symmetry returns.
It is not meant to be a head-wrecker but just a means to appreciate the flexibility of the timekeeping system that permits RA/Dec observing, time zones and DST. The foundation for this flexibility is, of course, the 24 hour and Lat/Long systems anchored to natural noon.

My clock set at the factory, it can not be changed!
What can I do?

Good morning Mr StarDust
Clocks are designed to keep a constant pace, whether a hand sweeping across its face or a steady sequence of numbers. It is what determines the steady pace or equable hours, minutes and seconds that should occupy those interested in the daily and annual motions of the planet because the anchor for the 24 hour clock, in this case natural noon, is unequal from one cycle to the next.
If a volume of sand or water was used to determine noon as a location turns midway (noon) to the planet's dark hemisphere each day, there would be a different volume of sand or water for each rotation. Twenty different cycles would produce 20 different volumes, so by combining the 20 measures and dividing them equally, you would get an average and this is the purpose the Equation of Time served as accurate clocks emerged a number of centuries ago.
It became possible to check the accuracy of a clock by using the daily return of the background star to the same foreground position, however, this observation doesn't prove the Earth's rotation is constant like the misguided academics in the late 17th century thought. The Earth has two distinct rotations to the central Sun with daily rotation constant while the surface rotation as a function of the orbital motion varies in response to the variable speed of the Earth. It is this latter surface rotation that is responsible for the inequalities in the natural noon cycle.

What if Earth doesn't rotate, but the space around it?
How to measure time?

Timekeeping in terms of clocks are just mechanisms to keep a steady pace, whether divided into equable 24 hour days, hours, minutes, seconds or any smaller division. Timekeeping in terms of weeks and months is arbitrary, although the parent observation is that the planet turns 1461 times for 4 orbits of our parent star formatted into the familiar calendar framework of 365/366 days across four years.
What sets the equal pace is historically and technically definite and anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle as an effect of one rotation. Some people wish 'time' into existence by misusing timekeeping but the less said the better.

Time enslave us hoomans!

Time is the life of your soul and where you find inspiration from in your journey through life, whereas timekeeping is not time itself and can enslave people if they go too far and especially the issues and problems inherited from the late 17th century where most of the damage was done.

For long time, only time piece we had is the Sun, Moon and the Stars.
Even animals knew how to use it.
Now we have cheap Walmart watches, all it does is eat batteries!
😭😭😭

To be fair Mr StarDust, we had the stars to define the annual cycle and the Sun to define the daily cycle until they switched the whole thing around a few centuries ago to make the stars define the daily cycle.

When the stars move far enough to the right of the Sun, they show themselves as a dawn appearance for the first time so became the anchor for all timekeeping, in this case the 365/366 day calendar system-

".. on account of the procession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years,.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the new year" Canopus Decree 238 BC

It is, of course, much older than this expression but insights sometimes are lost for years and centuries because of different reasons-

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Because we are f------ IDIOTS and allow it.